i believe what the administration is trying to do, say to president karzai in iraq, have you to stop dumping all over the united states and criticizing the united states. you have to get real about what we can and should do post 2014. what the military needs and they'll tell you in a second. first of all if we're to leave some troops there, if there isn't to be a zero option, which i don't think is going to happen. sometimes i'm wrong about these things. i don't think it's going to happen. the military says for whatever numbers of troops you leave, what will be the strategy, what is the mission. >> why are they there? >> why willing they be there? once that decision is made, you make that decision, then comes how many troops do we need to carry out that strategy, some say you could leave as few as 7500. others say 15,000, some say 20,000. i think the military at the moment is centered around the figure of 13 to 14,000 troops. they keep emphasizing, tell us what you want those troops to do after 2014 and then tell us what the number is, they need that decision immediately. they needed